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This page details unused content in ''[[Megami Ibunroku Persona]]'' and ''[[Persona (PSP)|Persona]]''.
This page details the negotiation process in the ''Devil Children'' series.


==Music==
==Overview==
One piece of background music inside the game's files goes unused in the final version of the game. The ''Complete Recording Edition'' release of the soundtrack gives that track the name of "Time Count Event."
Negotiation is not performed by the protagonist, but rather by a demon ally of the player's choice. The outcome of the negotiation is entirely random, but a set of factors inherent to the two demons involved will positively or negatively affect the outcome.


==Locations==
It is also possible, if negotiation fails, for another party member to insert themselves in the negotiation and try again.
The image texture for the nameplates inside of St. Hermelin High School shows the names of several rooms that are not present in the final version of the game.
 
As a result of negotiation, the enemy demon will either: join the protagonist, attack the party, hand out an item, hand out Macca, fully heal the demon performing the negotiation, or escape.
 
==Mechanics==
===''Black Book & Red Book''===
The following factors affect the negotiation outcome: Class, Type, and Race.
 
====Class====
Demons in the game are classified under one of the four classes: Common, Elite, General, and King.


{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+ Unused rooms
!rowspan="2"|Talker
!colspan="4"|Subject
|-
|-
!Japanese
!Common
!English
!Elite
!General
!King
|-
|-
|科学屋
!Common
|Science Lab
|◎
|✕
|○
|△
|-
|-
|音楽屋
!Elite
|Music Room
|○
|◎
|✕
|△
|-
|-
|用品屋
!General
|Equipment Room
|✕
|○
|◎
|△
|-
|-
|倉庫
!King
|Storehouse
|△
|△
|△
|△
|}
|}


==Demons==
====Type====
There is data of two unused demons in the game's files: Shikijirou and [[Nyarlathotep]]. The both of them have 0 in all of their stats, but while Shikijirou has no skills, Nyarlathotep has two: Fog Breath and Stone Claw.
Each demon in-game belongs to one of the following Types: Fire, Water, Earth, Metal, Wood, Sun, and Moon.


{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+ Unused demons
|-
|-
!colspan="2"|Name
!rowspan="2"|Talker
!colspan="7"|Subject
|-
!Fire
!Water
!Earth
!Metal
!Wood
!Sun
!Moon
|-
|-
!Japanese
!Fire
!PSP
|◎
|✕
|○
|◎
|△
|△
|△
|-
|-
|シキジロウ
!Water
|Shikijirou
|◎
|◎
|✕
|△
|○
|△
|△
|-
|-
|ニャルラトホテプ
!Earth
|Nyarlathotep
|△
|◎
|◎
|○
|✕
|△
|△
|-
!Metal
|✕
|○
|△
|◎
|◎
|△
|△
|-
!Wood
|○
|△
|◎
|✕
|◎
|△
|△
|-
!Sun
|△
|△
|△
|△
|△
|◎
|✕
|-
!Moon
|△
|△
|△
|△
|△
|✕
|◎
|}
|}


==Skills==
====Race====
There is a multitude of unused skills, the majority of them having the placeholder description of "Boss-only spell" and a fire element icon. It is possible to add them to the skill list of a Persona via cheating, but most of them will softlock the game when used in battle; the character's Persona will perform its summoning animation, but no effect will play and the game will be stuck. This behavior is not caused by any sort of incomplete data due to the skills being unused, as actual boss-exclusive skills present in the final game will also cause the same effect.
Each demon in-game belongs to one of the following races: God, Devil, Divine, Ogre, Specter, Draco, Yoma, Mutant, Beast, and Boss. The latter two don't belong to any demon that can be encountered via random encounter.


The skill "B," whose Japanese name translates to "Hereafter Freeze," will freeze the game not by being used but just by having its name be seen on-screen in any menu.
Each Race has a set of three "disliked" races, so attempting to negotiate with them using a demon that belongs to one of those races will negatively impact the chances of negotiation.


{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+ Unused skills
!rowspan="2"|Race
|-
!colspan="3"|Disliked Races
!colspan="2"|Name
!rowspan="2"|Description
|-
!Japanese
!PSP
|-
|マッパー
|Mappa
|Shows a map of the area.
|-
|-
|召喚
!Race 1
|Summon
!Race 2
|Summons multiple demons.
!Race 3
|-
|-
|這い寄る混沌
!God
|Crawling Chaos
|Devil
|Boss-only spell.
|Ogre
|Boss
|-
|-
|イリュージョン
!Devil
|Illusion
|God
|Boss-only spell.
|Divine
|Boss
|-
|-
|ばらまき
!Divine
|Scatter
|Devil
|Boss-only spell.
|Mutant
|Boss
|-
|-
|ダークミラー
!Ogre
|Dark Mirror
|Specter
|Boss-only spell.
|Draco
|Boss
|-
|-
|ファイアーアロー
!Specter
|Fire Arrow
|Ogre
|Boss-only spell.
|Yoma
|Boss
|-
|-
|デビルウォール
!Draco
|Devil's Wall
|God
|Boss-only spell.
|Devil
|Boss
|-
|-
|ブラッディローズ
!Yoma
|Bloody Rose
|Ogre
|Boss-only spell.
|Specter
|Boss
|-
|-
|以降フリーズ
!Mutant
|B
|God
|Boss-only spell.
|Devil
|Boss
|}
|}


==Items==
===''White Book''===
There are multiple pie items whose descriptions mention being baked by [[Yuka Ayase]]. In one interview, [[Tadashi Satomi]] and [[Kazuma Kaneko]] detail that in an early draft of the game's story, there would be a plot point involving cooking Ambrosia during the Snow Queen Quest, in which Ayase was going to be involved<ref>{{Cite Interview|quote=里見：最初は、アンブロシアを料理するという話もあっったんですけど。／金子：アヤセがヘンなもの作っちゃって、ケルベロスが怒っちゃうとかあったんですけど。／里見：「こんなの食えーん！」って。|translquote='''Satomi:''' At one point, there was a plot point involving actually cooking the Ambrosia. / '''Kaneko:''' It entailed Ayase making something weird with it and Cerberus would get mad over it. / '''Satomi:''' And he was all, "ME CAN'T EAT THIS."|publ=[[Megami Ibunroku Persona Digital Collection]] booklet}}</ref>.
Negotiations mechanics are mostly unchanged from ''Black Book & Red Book'', with one new element added.
 
Now, when selecting which demon to negotiate, the protagonist may now instruct their demon with how to approach negotiation. There are a total of eight different approaches, of which a random two will be selected. Depending on the target demon's speech pattern, certain approaches may positively or negatively impact the chances of success. Alternatively, certain approaches may yield a neutral result.


===Consumables===
====Approaches====
The three different apple pie items have similar names in Japanese that might look the same at first glance, as some of the characters used in the names are nearly identical. In the localized version of the game, two of the three apple pie items share the same name.
Each demon in-game is assigned one of the following speech patterns: Normal Male, Normal Female, Proud Male, Proud Female, Evil Male, Evil Female, Beast, and Unintelligible.
 
The eight possible approaches to negotiation are: Plead, Soothe, Be Kind, Stare, Joke, Happily, Threaten, and Coerce.


{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+ Unused consumables
!rowspan="2"|Speech Pattern
!colspan="8"|Approach
|-
|-
!colspan="2"|Name
!Plead
!rowspan="2"|Description
!Soothe
!rowspan="2"|Effect
!Be Kind
!Stare
!Joke
!Happily
!Threaten
!Coerce
|-
|-
!Japanese
!Normal Male
!PSP
| —
| —
|✕
|✕
|◎
|◎
| —
| —
|-
|-
|ドクロの振り子
!Normal Female
|Skull Pendulum
| —
|Shows a map of the area.
|✕
|Nothing
|✕
| —
| —
|◎
|◎
| —
|-
|-
|アップルパイ
!Proud Male
|Apple Pie
| —
|Some apple pie Ayase baked.
| —
|Nothing
|◎
|◎
|✕
|✕
| —
| —
|-
|-
|アッブルパイ
!Proud Female
|Apple Pie
| —
|Some apple pie Ayase baked.
| —
|Fully heals party's HP.
|✕
|◎
|◎
|✕
| —
| —
|-
|-
|マップルパイ
!Evil Male
|Aqqle Pie
|✕
|Some aqqle pie Ayase baked.
|✕
|Poisons the entire party.
| —
|}
| —
 
| —
===Key Items===
| —
The three different apple pie items have similar names in Japanese that might look the same at first glance, as some of the characters used in the names are nearly identical. In the localized version of the game, two of the three apple pie items share the same name.
|◎
 
|◎
{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+ Unused key items
|-
|-
!colspan="2"|Name
!Evil Female
!rowspan="2"|Description
|◎
|✕
| —
| —
| —
| —
|✕
|◎
|-
|-
!Japanese
!Beast
!PSP
|◎
|◎
| —
| —
| —
| —
|✕
|✕
|-
|-
|牢の鍵束
!Unintelligible
|Cell Key Ring
| —
|The key to the cell in the Dream World.
|◎
|-
| —
|北のハニワ
| —
|Northern Haniwa
| —
|If you use it at the ruins...
|✕
|-
|✕
|最後のアップルパイ
| —
|Last Apple Pie
|The last piece of apple pie.
|-
|最後のアッブルパイ
|Last Apple Pie
|The last piece of apple pie.
|-
|最後のマップルパイ
|Last Aqqle Pie
|The last piece of aqqle pie.
|}
|}
==References==
{{Reflist}}

Latest revision as of 01:26, 24 August 2024

This page details the negotiation process in the Devil Children series.

Overview

Negotiation is not performed by the protagonist, but rather by a demon ally of the player's choice. The outcome of the negotiation is entirely random, but a set of factors inherent to the two demons involved will positively or negatively affect the outcome.

It is also possible, if negotiation fails, for another party member to insert themselves in the negotiation and try again.

As a result of negotiation, the enemy demon will either: join the protagonist, attack the party, hand out an item, hand out Macca, fully heal the demon performing the negotiation, or escape.

Mechanics

Black Book & Red Book

The following factors affect the negotiation outcome: Class, Type, and Race.

Class

Demons in the game are classified under one of the four classes: Common, Elite, General, and King.

Talker Subject
Common Elite General King
Common ◎ ✕ ○ △
Elite ○ ◎ ✕ △
General ✕ ○ ◎ △
King △ △ △ △

Type

Each demon in-game belongs to one of the following Types: Fire, Water, Earth, Metal, Wood, Sun, and Moon.

Talker Subject
Fire Water Earth Metal Wood Sun Moon
Fire ◎ ✕ ○ ◎ △ △ △
Water ◎ ◎ ✕ △ ○ △ △
Earth △ ◎ ◎ ○ ✕ △ △
Metal ✕ ○ △ ◎ ◎ △ △
Wood ○ △ ◎ ✕ ◎ △ △
Sun △ △ △ △ △ ◎ ✕
Moon △ △ △ △ △ ✕ ◎

Race

Each demon in-game belongs to one of the following races: God, Devil, Divine, Ogre, Specter, Draco, Yoma, Mutant, Beast, and Boss. The latter two don't belong to any demon that can be encountered via random encounter.

Each Race has a set of three "disliked" races, so attempting to negotiate with them using a demon that belongs to one of those races will negatively impact the chances of negotiation.

Race Disliked Races
Race 1 Race 2 Race 3
God Devil Ogre Boss
Devil God Divine Boss
Divine Devil Mutant Boss
Ogre Specter Draco Boss
Specter Ogre Yoma Boss
Draco God Devil Boss
Yoma Ogre Specter Boss
Mutant God Devil Boss

White Book

Negotiations mechanics are mostly unchanged from Black Book & Red Book, with one new element added.

Now, when selecting which demon to negotiate, the protagonist may now instruct their demon with how to approach negotiation. There are a total of eight different approaches, of which a random two will be selected. Depending on the target demon's speech pattern, certain approaches may positively or negatively impact the chances of success. Alternatively, certain approaches may yield a neutral result.

Approaches

Each demon in-game is assigned one of the following speech patterns: Normal Male, Normal Female, Proud Male, Proud Female, Evil Male, Evil Female, Beast, and Unintelligible.

The eight possible approaches to negotiation are: Plead, Soothe, Be Kind, Stare, Joke, Happily, Threaten, and Coerce.

Speech Pattern Approach
Plead Soothe Be Kind Stare Joke Happily Threaten Coerce
Normal Male — — ✕ ✕ ◎ ◎ — —
Normal Female — ✕ ✕ — — ◎ ◎ —
Proud Male — — ◎ ◎ ✕ ✕ — —
Proud Female — — ✕ ◎ ◎ ✕ — —
Evil Male ✕ ✕ — — — — ◎ ◎
Evil Female ◎ ✕ — — — — ✕ ◎
Beast ◎ ◎ — — — — ✕ ✕
Unintelligible — ◎ — — — ✕ ✕ —
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