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{{DISPLAYTITLE:Alignment (''Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance'')}}{{Research|reason=I did not play SMT5V in English and this information comes from the JP SMT5V guide, so some of the quest names and options are translations of what is in the Japanese game. Will need to be updated with what the game says in English.}}
{{DISPLAYTITLE:Alignment (''Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance'')}}{{Research|reason=The information on this page comes from the Japanese SMT5V guide book. Some of the responses/options are translations from Japanese and need to be updated with the English localization.}}
This page covers the '''[[Alignment]] mechanics''' in {{Link|Game|SMT5V}}.
This page covers the '''[[Alignment]] mechanics''' in {{Link|Game|SMT5V}}.


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||Clear ''The Spirit of Love''||Preservation
||Clear ''The Spirit of Love''||Preservation
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|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Talk to Principality after accepting [[Those Seeking Sanctuary]]||Talk about it||N/A
|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Talk to Principality after accepting [[Those Seeking Sanctuary]]||Defeat Principality||Reformation
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||Defeat Principality||Reformation
||Talk to him||N/A
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|rowspan=3|Primary||rowspan=3|Event: Answering Yakumo||God's word is needed||Preservation
|rowspan=3|Primary||rowspan=3|Event: Answering Yakumo||Order is essential for peace||Preservation
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||It's not needed||Reformation
||Order gets in the way||Reformation
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||I don't know||N/A
||I don't know||N/A
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|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Event: Chasing Lahmu||Help her||Preservation
|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Event: Chasing Lahmu||We have to help her||Preservation
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||Defeat Lahmu||Reformation
||We have to defeat Lahmu||Reformation
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|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|[[A Wish for a Fish]]||Finish him off and take the fish||Reformation
|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|[[A Wish for a Fish]]||Finish him off and take the fish||Reformation
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||Don't eat it||Preservation
||Don't eat it||Preservation
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|rowspan=2|Primary||rowspan=2|Event: Decisive battle with Lahmu||We need to challenge Lahmu||Reformation
|rowspan=2|Primary||rowspan=2|Event: Decisive battle with Lahmu||We have to take down Lahmu||Reformation
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||Rescuing her takes priority||Preservation
||We prioritize rescuing her||Preservation
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|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Clear [[Black Frost Strikes Back]] or [[A Sobering Standoff]]||Clear ''Black Frost Strikes Back''||Reformation
|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Clear [[Black Frost Strikes Back]] or [[A Sobering Standoff]]||Clear ''Black Frost Strikes Back''||Reformation
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||Sacrifices should be avoided||Reformation
||Sacrifices should be avoided||Reformation
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|rowspan=3|Secondary||rowspan=3|Event: Aogami asks about the organization vs the person||We should participate||Preservation
|rowspan=3|Secondary||rowspan=3|Event: Aogami asks about the organization vs the person||We ought to do our part||Preservation
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||Well, Bethel ordered it||N/A
||I didn't get a choice in the matter||N/A
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||I don't want to participate||Reformation
||Honestly, I don't want to do it||Reformation
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|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Event: Aogami asks if demons are unnecessary||You did save me||Preservation
|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Event: Aogami asks if demons are unnecessary||You've been a great help||Preservation
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||They are pretty annoying||Reformation
||You've certainly made life complicated||Reformation
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|rowspan=2|Primary||rowspan=2|Event: The Demon King's question||Order is something we must uphold ourselves||Preservation
|rowspan=2|Primary||rowspan=2|Event: The Demon King's question||God's order will never die||Preservation
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||Don't really care about it||Reformation
||Fine by me||Reformation
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|rowspan=2|Primary||rowspan=2|Event: Odin; What do you think of this world?||I have some sentiments about it||Preservation
|rowspan=2|Primary||rowspan=2|Event: Odin asks what you think of this world||I'm attached to it||Preservation
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||It needs to be remade||Reformation
||It must be rebuilt from scratch||Reformation
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|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Clear [[The Raid on Tokyo]] or [[In Defense of Tokyo]]||Clear ''The Raid on Tokyo''||Reformation
|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Clear [[The Raid on Tokyo]] or [[In Defense of Tokyo]]||Clear ''The Raid on Tokyo''||Reformation
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! Event !! Choice !! Route
! Event !! Choice !! Route
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|rowspan=3|Choice made in Empyrean || Maintain God's order || Preservation
|rowspan=3|Choice made in Empyrean || I will uphold God's Order || Preservation
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|Save Tokyo || Reformation
|I will recreate the world and save Tokyo|| Reformation
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|Destroy the throne || Humanity
|I will destroy the throne || Humanity
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|rowspan=2|Choice made during the Humanity route || Destroy the throne || Humanity
|rowspan=2|Choice made during the Humanity route || I will destroy the throne || Humanity
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|Create a world only for humans || True Humanity, fight an empowered Lucifer as the final boss
|Create a world for humanity alone|| True Humanity, fight an empowered Lucifer as the final boss
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The "Create a world only for humans" option only appears if the Nahobino has completed Ra, Fionn, and Shiva's sidequests.
The "Create a world only for humans" option only appears if the Nahobino has completed Ra, Fionn, and Shiva's sidequests.


If the Nahobino's final alignment does not match the route he picks for the ending, then he will be unable to obtain a certain Miracle.
If the Nahobino's final alignment does not match the route he picks for the ending, then he will be unable to obtain the [[#Exclusive Miracles|alignment exclusive miracle]].


==Canon of Vengeance==
==Canon of Vengeance==
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||Clear ''The Spirit of Love''|||Preservation +1
||Clear ''The Spirit of Love''|||Preservation +1
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|rowspan=2|Event: Chasing Lahmu||Help her|||Preservation +1
|rowspan=2|Event: Chasing Lahmu||We have to help her||Preservation +1
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||Defeat Lahmu||Reformation +1
||We have to defeat Lahmu||Reformation +1
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|rowspan=2|[[A Wish for a Fish]]||Finish him off and take the fish||Reformation +1
|rowspan=2|[[A Wish for a Fish]]||Finish him off and take the fish||Reformation +1
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||Leave him alone|||Preservation +1
||Leave him alone|||Preservation +1
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|rowspan=2|Talk to Principality after accepting [[Those Seeking Sanctuary]]||Talk about it||N/A
|rowspan=2|Talk to Principality after accepting [[Those Seeking Sanctuary]]||Defeat Principality||Reformation +1
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||Defeat Principality||Reformation +1
||Talk to him||N/A
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|rowspan=2|Clear [[Those Seeking Sanctuary]] or [[Holding the Line]]||Clear ''Those Seeking Sanctuary''||Reformation +1
|rowspan=2|Clear [[Those Seeking Sanctuary]] or [[Holding the Line]]||Clear ''Those Seeking Sanctuary''||Reformation +1
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|rowspan=2|Event: After fighting Yuzuru||I think it's bright|||Preservation +3
|rowspan=2|Event: After fighting Yuzuru||I think it's bright|||Preservation +3
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||I don't count on it||Reformation +3
||I can't count on it||Reformation +3
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|rowspan=2|[[The Horn of Plenty]]||Sacrifices are necessary|||Preservation +1
|rowspan=2|[[The Horn of Plenty]]||Sacrifices are necessary|||Preservation +1
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||Sacrifices should be avoided||Reformation +1
||Sacrifices should be avoided||Reformation +1
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|rowspan=2|Event: Yuzuru's reflection||I think I can believe|||Preservation +3
|rowspan=2|Event: Yuzuru's reflection||I think I can believe|||Preservation +3 <!--translation; needs english loc-->
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||I can't really believe||Reformation +3
||I can't really believe||Reformation +3 <!--translation; needs english loc-->
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|rowspan=2|Event: After defeating Mara||I understand|||Preservation +1
|rowspan=2|Event: After defeating Mara||I understand|||Preservation +1
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||Despair at humanity's past||Reformation +3
||Despair at humanity's past||Reformation +3
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|rowspan=2|In the throne room (Only if Nahobino is human alignment)||I believed it would come||Reformation +3
|rowspan=2|In the throne room (Only if Nahobino is human alignment)||I believed it would come||Reformation +3 <!--translation; needs english loc-->
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||That can't come to pass|||Preservation +3
||That can't come to pass|||Preservation +3 <!--translation; needs english loc-->
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==Exclusive Miracles==
==Exclusive Miracles==


{{Research|reason=Regarding Vengeance: The alignment section of the guide book says that it's 12 points w/a single alignment to unlock Ranking/Succession; 16 points from alignment choices overall to unlock both. However, the Temple of Eternity section says it's complete 6 of 11 side quests and be on a route for Ranking/Succession; complete 10 of 11 side quests for both.}}
{{Research|reason=Regarding Vengeance: The alignment section of the guide book says that it's 12 points w/a single alignment plus be on an ending path to unlock Ranking or Succession; 16 points from alignment choices overall to unlock both. However, the Temple of Eternity section says it's complete 6 of 11 side quests and be on a route for Ranking or Succession; complete 10 of 11 side quests for both.}}


Nahobino's alignment determines the availability of certain Miracles. He gains this at the end of the Temple of Eternity.
Nahobino's alignment determines which special [[Miracle]] he gets. He gains this after the throne room.


In Creation, this is determined by the internal alignment (from choices) and the selected ending matching one another.
In Creation, this is determined by the internal alignment (from choices) and the selected ending matching one another.
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! Miracle !! Creation !! Vengeance
! Miracle !! Creation !! Vengeance
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| Violation of Ranking{{Exp|Removes the level restriction when fusing demons}} || Preservation alignment and ending || Make 12 Preservation aligned selections and be on the Peaceful Route, or make 16+ selections overall and be on either route
| Rank Violation{{Exp|Removes the level restriction when fusing demons}} || Preservation alignment and ending || Make 12 Preservation aligned selections and be on the Peaceful Route, or make 16+ selections overall and be on either route
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| Violation of Succession{{Exp|Demon's innate skills can be replaced by inherited skills when fusing}} || Reformation alignment and ending || Make 12 Reformation aligned selections and be on the Apocalypse Route, or make 16+ selections overall and be on either route
| Inheritance Violation{{Exp|Demon's innate skills can be replaced by inherited skills when fusing}} || Reformation alignment and ending || Make 12 Reformation aligned selections and be on the Apocalypse Route, or make 16+ selections overall and be on either route
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Revision as of 19:59, 2 September 2024

This article is in need of research.
Reason: The information on this page comes from the Japanese SMT5V guide book. Some of the responses/options are translations from Japanese and need to be updated with the English localization.

This page covers the Alignment mechanics in Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance.

Overview

In Vengeance, various text answers and choices made during quests will grant the Nahobino points towards "Preservation", "Humanity", or "Reformation". The Nahobino's icon on the map of Tokyo indicates what alignment they currently hold: Preservation is spinning clockwise, humanity is shaking left and right, and reformation is spinning counterclockwise.

Canon of Creation

In the Canon of Creation, the Nahobino has a primary alignment and a secondary alignment. There are 19 alignment events in this Canon, with 4 contributing to the primary, and 15 contributing to the secondary. Choices made during these events are categorized as reformation, preservation, or neither. However, the alignment tracked in-game does not determine the ending.

When calculating primary alignment:

  • If the majority of the choices favor reformation, then primary alignment is reformation.
  • If the majority of the choices favor preservation, then primary alignment is preservation.
  • If the Nahobino is tied for both reformation and preservation, then the primary alignment is humanity.

When calculating secondary alignment:

  • If the Nahobino has made 3 or more reformation and / or preservation selections, then the secondary alignment is whichever of the two is higher.
  • If the Nahobino has made less than 3 of these selections, or he is tied for both, then the secondary alignment will be humanity.

When calculating final alignment:

  • If the primary and secondary alignment are the same, then that is the final alignment. E.g. both reformation means the final alignment is reformation.
  • If one of the primary or secondary alignment is humanity, then priority will instead be given to preservation or reformation as final alignment. E.g. humanity primary but reformation secondary also means the final alignment is reformation.
  • If the primary and secondary alignment oppose one another, then the final alignment is humanity. E.g. primary reformation but preservation secondary means final alignment is humanity.

Creation Choices

Category Event or Side Quest Choice or Action Alignment
Secondary The Spirit of Love or The Water Nymph Clear The Water Nymph Reformation
Clear The Spirit of Love Preservation
Secondary Talk to Principality after accepting Those Seeking Sanctuary Defeat Principality Reformation
Talk to him N/A
Primary Event: Answering Yakumo Order is essential for peace Preservation
Order gets in the way Reformation
I don't know N/A
Secondary Event: Chasing Lahmu We have to help her Preservation
We have to defeat Lahmu Reformation
Secondary A Wish for a Fish Finish him off and take the fish Reformation
Let him go Preservation
Secondary Clear Those Seeking Sanctuary or Holding the Line Clear Those Seeking Sanctuary Reformation
Clear Holding the Line Preservation
Secondary A Goddess Stolen Eat the apple Reformation
Don't eat it Preservation
Primary Event: Decisive battle with Lahmu We have to take down Lahmu Reformation
We prioritize rescuing her Preservation
Secondary Clear Black Frost Strikes Back or A Sobering Standoff Clear Black Frost Strikes Back Reformation
Clear A Sobering Standoff Preservation
Secondary The Horn of Plenty Sacrifices are necessary Preservation
Sacrifices should be avoided Reformation
Secondary Event: Aogami asks about the organization vs the person We ought to do our part Preservation
I didn't get a choice in the matter N/A
Honestly, I don't want to do it Reformation
Secondary Event: Aogami asks if demons are unnecessary You've been a great help Preservation
You've certainly made life complicated Reformation
Primary Event: The Demon King's question God's order will never die Preservation
Fine by me Reformation
Primary Event: Odin asks what you think of this world I'm attached to it Preservation
It must be rebuilt from scratch Reformation
Secondary Clear The Raid on Tokyo or In Defense of Tokyo Clear The Raid on Tokyo Reformation
Clear In Defense of Tokyo Preservation
Secondary The Egyptians' Fate Finish him off Preservation
Stow your weapon N/A
Secondary The Succession of Ra Deal the final blow Reformation
Stop Khonsu Preservation
Do nothing N/A
Secondary Clear Reclaim the Golden Stool or Liberate the Golden Stool Clear Reclaim the Golden Stool Preservation
Clear Liberate the Golden Stool Reformation
Secondary Goddesses of Fate Something that binds you Reformation
Something that guides you Preservation

Creation Ending

Which ending the Nahobino gets during Creation is based on a choice made near the end of Creation, regardless of his tracked alignment.

Event Choice Route
Choice made in Empyrean I will uphold God's Order Preservation
I will recreate the world and save Tokyo Reformation
I will destroy the throne Humanity
Choice made during the Humanity route I will destroy the throne Humanity
Create a world for humanity alone True Humanity, fight an empowered Lucifer as the final boss

The "Create a world only for humans" option only appears if the Nahobino has completed Ra, Fionn, and Shiva's sidequests.

If the Nahobino's final alignment does not match the route he picks for the ending, then he will be unable to obtain the alignment exclusive miracle.

Canon of Vengeance

In Vengeance, the game tracks the Nahobino's alignment throughout the game through the various choices he makes in story and quest dialogue. After the throne room, Nahobino gets locked-in to a route based on his alignment and this determines the ending. If he is preservation, he gets the Peaceful Route. If he is reformation, he gets the Apocalypse Route.

The details of how alignment is built is as follows:

  • High influence choices grant +3 points
  • Low influence choices grant +1 point
  • Using Tao Isonokami for 50 battles grants +1 point towards preservation, upto a maximum of +3
  • Using Yoko Hiromine for 50 battles grants +1 point towards reformation, upto a maximum of +3
  • If the difference between preservation and reformation is 2 or more points, the Nahobino's alignment will be the one with the higher value
  • If the difference is within 1 or less point, the Nahobino will be humanity alignment
  • As this Canon only has two endings for preservation and reformation, there is only one event/choice that comes up if the Nahobino has humanity alignment
  • Regardless of alignment, the Nahobino can face the final boss of True Humanity ending in Creation, the empowered version of Lucifer, in Vengeance by completing Ra, Fionn, and Shiva's sidequests beforehand

Vengeance Choices

Event or Side Quest Choice or Action Points
Clear The Spirit of Love or The Water Nymph Clear The Water Nymph Reformation +1
Clear The Spirit of Love Preservation +1
Event: Chasing Lahmu We have to help her Preservation +1
We have to defeat Lahmu Reformation +1
A Wish for a Fish Finish him off and take the fish Reformation +1
Leave him alone Preservation +1
Talk to Principality after accepting Those Seeking Sanctuary Defeat Principality Reformation +1
Talk to him N/A
Clear Those Seeking Sanctuary or Holding the Line Clear Those Seeking Sanctuary Reformation +1
Clear Holding the Line Preservation +1
A Goddess Stolen Eat the apple Reformation +1
Don't eat it Preservation +1
Heart of Garnet Finish her off Preservation +1
Let her go Reformation +1
Event: After fighting Yuzuru I think it's bright Preservation +3
I can't count on it Reformation +3
The Horn of Plenty Sacrifices are necessary Preservation +1
Sacrifices should be avoided Reformation +1
Event: Yuzuru's reflection I think I can believe Preservation +3
I can't really believe Reformation +3
Event: After defeating Mara I understand Preservation +1
I don't understand Reformation +1
Clear Reclaim the Golden Stool or Liberate the Golden Stool Clear Reclaim the Golden Stool Preservation +1
Clear Liberate the Golden Stool Reformation +1
Clear The Hunter in White or The Vampire in Black Clear The Hunter in White Preservation +1
Clear The Vampire in Black Reformation +1
Clear The Raid on Tokyo or In Defense of Tokyo Clear The Raid on Tokyo Reformation +1
Clear In Defense of Tokyo Preservation +1
Goddesses of Fate Something that binds you Reformation +1
Something that guides you Preservation +1
Event: Beelzebub Key Battle I want to re-create the world Preservation +1
I want to stop Tiamat N/A
Event: Odin and Zeus Key Battle Hope for humanity's future Preservation +3
Despair at humanity's past Reformation +3
In the throne room (Only if Nahobino is human alignment) I believed it would come Reformation +3
That can't come to pass Preservation +3

Exclusive Demons

Nahobino's alignment determines the availability of side quests which unlock certain demons for fusion.

In Creation, this is determined by the ending selected.

In Vengeance, this is determined by both the route and the alignment choices made.

Side Quest Fusion Unlock Creation Vengeance
The Seraph's Return Michael Select the Preservation Ending Route Peaceful Route
The Red Dragon's Invitation Belial Select the Reformation Ending Route Apocalypse Route
The Compassionate Queen Maria Select the Preservation Ending Route Preservation
The Wrathful Queen Inanna Select the Reformation Ending Route Reformation
The Noble Queen Danu Select the Humanity or True Humanity Ending Route Humanity

Exclusive Miracles

This article is in need of research.
Reason: Regarding Vengeance: The alignment section of the guide book says that it's 12 points w/a single alignment plus be on an ending path to unlock Ranking or Succession; 16 points from alignment choices overall to unlock both. However, the Temple of Eternity section says it's complete 6 of 11 side quests and be on a route for Ranking or Succession; complete 10 of 11 side quests for both.

Nahobino's alignment determines which special Miracle he gets. He gains this after the throne room.

In Creation, this is determined by the internal alignment (from choices) and the selected ending matching one another.

In Vengeance, this is determined by the overall number of choices made from the list of quests and events.

Miracle Creation Vengeance
Rank ViolationRemoves the level restriction when fusing demons Preservation alignment and ending Make 12 Preservation aligned selections and be on the Peaceful Route, or make 16+ selections overall and be on either route
Inheritance ViolationDemon's innate skills can be replaced by inherited skills when fusing Reformation alignment and ending Make 12 Reformation aligned selections and be on the Apocalypse Route, or make 16+ selections overall and be on either route

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