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!Category!!Event or Side Quest!!Choice or Action!!Alignment
!Category!!Event or Side Quest!!Choice or Action!!Alignment
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|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Apsaras or Leanan Quest||Defeat Apsaras||Reformation
|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|[[The Spirit of Love]] or [[The Water Nymph]]||Clear ''The Water Nymph''||Reformation
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||Defeat Leanan Sidhe||Preservation
||Clear ''The Spirit of Love''||Preservation
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|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Talk to Principality after accepting Those Seeking Sanctuary||Talk about it||N/A
|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Talk to Principality after accepting [[Those Seeking Sanctuary]]||Talk about it||N/A
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||Defeat Principality||Reformation
||Defeat Principality||Reformation
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||Defeat Lahmu||Reformation
||Defeat Lahmu||Reformation
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|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Nekomata's A Wish for a Fish quest||Finish off King Frost||Reformation
|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|[[A Wish for a Fish]]||Finish him off and take the fish||Reformation
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||Leave King Frost alone||Preservation
||Let him go||Preservation
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|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Clear Those Seeking Sanctuary or Holding the Line||Clear Those Seeking Sanctuary, help Lilim||Reformation
|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Clear [[Those Seeking Sanctuary]] or [[Holding the Line]]||Clear ''Those Seeking Sanctuary''||Reformation
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||Clear Holding the Line, help Principality||Preservation
||Clear ''Holding the Line''||Preservation
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|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Kidnapped Idunn||Eat the apple||Reformation
|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|[[A Goddess Stolen]]||Eat the apple||Reformation
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||Don't eat it||Preservation
||Don't eat it||Preservation
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||Rescuing her takes priority||Preservation
||Rescuing her takes priority||Preservation
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|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Event: Jack Frost side quest||Clear Jack Frost-kun Once Again||Reformation
|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Clear [[Black Frost Strikes Back]] or [[A Sobering Standoff]]||Clear ''Black Frost Strikes Back''||Reformation
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||Clear Punish Jack Frost-kun||Preservation
||Clear ''A Sobering Standoff''||Preservation
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|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Demeter's Horn of Plenty side quest||Sacrifices are necessary||Preservation
|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|[[The Horn of Plenty]]||Sacrifices are necessary||Preservation
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||Sacrifices should be avoided||Reformation
||Sacrifices should be avoided||Reformation
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||It needs to be remade||Reformation
||It needs to be remade||Reformation
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|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Raid on Tokyo or In Defense of Tokyo||Clear Raid on Tokyo||Reformation
|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Clear [[The Raid on Tokyo]] or [[In Defense of Tokyo]]||Clear ''The Raid on Tokyo''||Reformation
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||Clear In Defense of Tokyo||Preservation
||Clear ''In Defense of Tokyo''||Preservation
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|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Learn what's happening at the Egyptian branch||Finish him||Preservation
|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|[[The Egyptians' Fate]]||Finish him off||Preservation
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||Stay your blade||N/A
||Stow your weapon||N/A
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|rowspan=3|Secondary||rowspan=3|The Inheritance of Ra||Finish him||Reformation
|rowspan=3|Secondary||rowspan=3|[[The Succession of Ra]]||Deal the final blow||Reformation
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||Stop Khonsu||Preservation
||Stop Khonsu||Preservation
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||Do nothing||N/A
||Do nothing||N/A
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|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Reclaim or free the golden stool||Defeat Anansi||Preservation
|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Clear [[Reclaim the Golden Stool]] or [[Liberate the Golden Stool]]||Clear ''Reclaim the Golden Stool''||Preservation
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||Defeat Onyankopon||Reformation
||Clear ''Liberate the Golden Stool''||Reformation
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|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|Event: Goddesses of Fate||Something that binds you||Reformation
|rowspan=2|Secondary||rowspan=2|[[Goddesses of Fate]]||Something that binds you||Reformation
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||Something that guides you||Preservation
||Something that guides you||Preservation
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!Event or Side Quest!!Choice or Action!!Points
!Event or Side Quest!!Choice or Action!!Points
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|rowspan=2|Apsaras or Leanan Quest||Defeat Apsaras||Reformation +1
|rowspan=2|Clear [[The Spirit of Love]] or [[The Water Nymph]]||Clear ''The Water Nymph''||Reformation +1
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||Defeat Leanan Sidhe|||Preservation +1
||Clear ''The Spirit of Love''|||Preservation +1
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|rowspan=2|Event: Chasing Lahmu||Help her|||Preservation +1
|rowspan=2|Event: Chasing Lahmu||Help her|||Preservation +1
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||Defeat Lahmu||Reformation +1
||Defeat Lahmu||Reformation +1
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|rowspan=2|Nekomata's A Wish for a Fish quest||Finish off King Frost||Reformation +1
|rowspan=2|[[A Wish for a Fish]]||Finish him off and take the fish||Reformation +1
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||Leave King Frost alone|||Preservation +1
||Leave him alone|||Preservation +1
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|rowspan=2|Talk to Principality after accepting Those Seeking Sanctuary||Talk about it||N/A
|rowspan=2|Talk to Principality after accepting [[Those Seeking Sanctuary]]||Talk about it||N/A
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||Defeat Principality||Reformation +1
||Defeat Principality||Reformation +1
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|rowspan=2|Clear Those Seeking Sanctuary or Holding the Line||Clear Those Seeking Sanctuary, help Lilim||Reformation +1
|rowspan=2|Clear [[Those Seeking Sanctuary]] or [[Holding the Line]]||Clear ''Those Seeking Sanctuary''||Reformation +1
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||Clear Holding the Line, help Principality|||Preservation +1
||Clear ''Holding the Line''|||Preservation +1
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|rowspan=2|Kidnapped Idunn||Eat the apple||Reformation +1
|rowspan=2|[[A Goddess Stolen]]||Eat the apple||Reformation +1
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||Don't eat it|||Preservation +1
||Don't eat it|||Preservation +1
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|rowspan=2|Heart of Garnet||Kill Vouivre|||Preservation +1
|rowspan=2|[[Heart of Garnet]]||Finish her off|||Preservation +1
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||Spare Vouivre||Reformation +1
||Let her go||Reformation +1
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|rowspan=2|Event: After fighting Yuzuru||I think it's bright|||Preservation +3
|rowspan=2|Event: After fighting Yuzuru||I think it's bright|||Preservation +3
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||I don't count on it||Reformation +3
||I don't count on it||Reformation +3
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|rowspan=2|Demeter's Horn of Plenty side quest||Sacrifices are necessary|||Preservation +1
|rowspan=2|[[The Horn of Plenty]]||Sacrifices are necessary|||Preservation +1
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||Sacrifices should be avoided||Reformation +1
||Sacrifices should be avoided||Reformation +1
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||I can't really believe||Reformation +3
||I can't really believe||Reformation +3
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|rowspan=2|Event: Mara sidequest||I understand|||Preservation +1
|rowspan=2|Event: After defeating Mara||I understand|||Preservation +1
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||I don't understand||Reformation +1
||I don't understand||Reformation +1
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|rowspan=2|Reclaim or free the golden stool||Defeat Anansi|||Preservation +1
|rowspan=2|Clear [[Reclaim the Golden Stool]] or [[Liberate the Golden Stool]]||Clear ''Reclaim the Golden Stool''|||Preservation +1
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||Defeat Onyankopon||Reformation +1
||Clear ''Liberate the Golden Stool''||Reformation +1
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|rowspan=2|The Hunter in White or the Vampire in Black||Defeat Kresnik|||Preservation +1
|rowspan=2|Clear [[The Hunter in White]] or [[The Vampire in Black]]||Clear ''The Hunter in White''|||Preservation +1
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||Defeat Kudlak||Reformation +1
||Clear ''The Vampire in Black''||Reformation +1
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|rowspan=2|Raid on Tokyo or In Defense of Tokyo||Clear Raid on Tokyo||Reformation +1
|rowspan=2|Clear [[The Raid on Tokyo]] or [[In Defense of Tokyo]]||Clear ''The Raid on Tokyo''||Reformation +1
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||Clear In Defense of Tokyo|||Preservation +1
||Clear ''In Defense of Tokyo''|||Preservation +1
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|rowspan=2|Event: Goddesses of Fate||Something that binds you||Reformation +1
|rowspan=2|[[Goddesses of Fate]]||Something that binds you||Reformation +1
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||Something that guides you|||Preservation +1
||Something that guides you|||Preservation +1
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|rowspan=2|Event: Beelzebub Key Battle||I want to re-create the world|||Preservation +1
|rowspan=2|Event: Beelzebub Key Battle||I want to re-create the world|||Preservation +1
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||I want to stop [[Tiamat|Spoiler]]||N/A
||I want to stop Tiamat||N/A
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|rowspan=2|Event: Odin and Zeus Key Battle||Hope for humanity's future|||Preservation +3
|rowspan=2|Event: Odin and Zeus Key Battle||Hope for humanity's future|||Preservation +3
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||Despair at humanity's past||Reformation +3
||Despair at humanity's past||Reformation +3
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|rowspan=2|In the throne room (Only appears if Nahobino is human alignment)||I believed it would come||Reformation +3
|rowspan=2|In the throne room (Only if Nahobino is human alignment)||I believed it would come||Reformation +3
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||That can't come to pass|||Preservation +3
||That can't come to pass|||Preservation +3
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! Side Quest !! Fusion Unlock !! Creation !! Vengeance
! Side Quest !! Fusion Unlock !! Creation !! Vengeance
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| The Archangel's Return || [[Michael]] || Select the Preservation Ending Route || Peaceful Route
| [[The Seraph's Return]] || [[Michael]] || Select the Preservation Ending Route || Peaceful Route
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| Invitation from the Red Dragon || [[Belial]] || Select the Reformation Ending Route || Apocalypse Route
| [[The Red Dragon's Invitation]] || [[Belial]] || Select the Reformation Ending Route || Apocalypse Route
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| The Divine Compassionate Queen || [[Maria]] || Select the Preservation Ending Route || Preservation
| [[The Compassionate Queen]] || [[Maria]] || Select the Preservation Ending Route || Preservation
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| The Divine Fierce Queen || [[Inanna]] || Select the Reformation Ending Route || Reformation
| [[The Wrathful Queen]] || [[Inanna]] || Select the Reformation Ending Route || Reformation
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| The Divine Sublime Queen || [[Danu]] || Select the Humanity or True Humanity Ending Route || Humanity
| [[The Noble Queen]] || [[Danu]] || Select the Humanity or True Humanity Ending Route || Humanity
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In Vengeance, as Maria, Inanna, and Danu's quests only require an alignment and the seed from Sophia, these quests can be done before the ending lock. Inanna and Maria's quests can also be done after the ending lock.


==Exclusive Miracles==
==Exclusive Miracles==

Revision as of 10:43, 2 September 2024

This article is in need of research.
Reason: I did not play SMT5V in English and this information comes from the JP SMT5V guide, so some of the quest names and options are translations of what is in the Japanese game. Will need to be updated with what the game says in English.

This page covers the Alignment mechanics in Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance.

Overview

In Vengeance, various text answers and choices made during quests will grant the Nahobino points towards "Preservation", "Humanity", or "Reformation". The Nahobino's icon on the map of Tokyo indicates what alignment they currently hold: Preservation is spinning clockwise, humanity is shaking left and right, and reformation is spinning counterclockwise.

Canon of Creation

In the Canon of Creation, the Nahobino has a primary alignment and a secondary alignment. There are 19 alignment events in this Canon, with 4 contributing to the primary, and 15 contributing to the secondary. Choices made during these events are categorized as reformation, preservation, or neither. However, the alignment tracked in-game does not determine the ending.

When calculating primary alignment:

  • If the majority of the choices favor reformation, then primary alignment is reformation.
  • If the majority of the choices favor preservation, then primary alignment is preservation.
  • If the Nahobino is tied for both reformation and preservation, then the primary alignment is humanity.

When calculating secondary alignment:

  • If the Nahobino has made 3 or more reformation and / or preservation selections, then the secondary alignment is whichever of the two is higher.
  • If the Nahobino has made less than 3 of these selections, or he is tied for both, then the secondary alignment will be humanity.

When calculating final alignment:

  • If the primary and secondary alignment are the same, then that is the final alignment. E.g. both reformation means the final alignment is reformation.
  • If one of the primary or secondary alignment is humanity, then priority will instead be given to preservation or reformation as final alignment. E.g. humanity primary but reformation secondary also means the final alignment is reformation.
  • If the primary and secondary alignment oppose one another, then the final alignment is humanity. E.g. primary reformation but preservation secondary means final alignment is humanity.

Creation Choices

Category Event or Side Quest Choice or Action Alignment
Secondary The Spirit of Love or The Water Nymph Clear The Water Nymph Reformation
Clear The Spirit of Love Preservation
Secondary Talk to Principality after accepting Those Seeking Sanctuary Talk about it N/A
Defeat Principality Reformation
Primary Event: Answering Yakumo God's word is needed Preservation
It's not needed Reformation
I don't know N/A
Secondary Event: Chasing Lahmu Help her Preservation
Defeat Lahmu Reformation
Secondary A Wish for a Fish Finish him off and take the fish Reformation
Let him go Preservation
Secondary Clear Those Seeking Sanctuary or Holding the Line Clear Those Seeking Sanctuary Reformation
Clear Holding the Line Preservation
Secondary A Goddess Stolen Eat the apple Reformation
Don't eat it Preservation
Primary Event: Decisive battle with Lahmu We need to challenge Lahmu Reformation
Rescuing her takes priority Preservation
Secondary Clear Black Frost Strikes Back or A Sobering Standoff Clear Black Frost Strikes Back Reformation
Clear A Sobering Standoff Preservation
Secondary The Horn of Plenty Sacrifices are necessary Preservation
Sacrifices should be avoided Reformation
Secondary Event: Aogami asks about the organization vs the person We should participate Preservation
Well, Bethel ordered it N/A
I don't want to participate Reformation
Secondary Event: Aogami asks if demons are unnecessary You did save me Preservation
They are pretty annoying Reformation
Primary Event: The Demon King's question Order is something we must uphold ourselves Preservation
Don't really care about it Reformation
Primary Event: Odin; What do you think of this world? I have some sentiments about it Preservation
It needs to be remade Reformation
Secondary Clear The Raid on Tokyo or In Defense of Tokyo Clear The Raid on Tokyo Reformation
Clear In Defense of Tokyo Preservation
Secondary The Egyptians' Fate Finish him off Preservation
Stow your weapon N/A
Secondary The Succession of Ra Deal the final blow Reformation
Stop Khonsu Preservation
Do nothing N/A
Secondary Clear Reclaim the Golden Stool or Liberate the Golden Stool Clear Reclaim the Golden Stool Preservation
Clear Liberate the Golden Stool Reformation
Secondary Goddesses of Fate Something that binds you Reformation
Something that guides you Preservation

Creation Ending

Which ending the Nahobino gets during Creation is based on a choice made near the end of Creation, regardless of his tracked alignment.

Event Choice Route
Choice made in Empyrean Maintain God's order Preservation
Save Tokyo Reformation
Destroy the throne Humanity
Choice made during the Humanity route Destroy the throne Humanity
Create a world only for humans True Humanity, fight an empowered Lucifer as the final boss

The "Create a world only for humans" option only appears if the Nahobino has completed Ra, Fionn, and Shiva's sidequests.

If the Nahobino's final alignment does not match the route he picks for the ending, then he will be unable to obtain a certain Miracle.

Canon of Vengeance

In Vengeance, the game tracks the Nahobino's alignment throughout the game through the various choices he makes in story and quest dialogue. After the throne room, Nahobino gets locked-in to a route based on his alignment and this determines the ending. If he is preservation, he gets the Peaceful Route. If he is reformation, he gets the Apocalypse Route.

The details of how alignment is built is as follows:

  • High influence choices grant +3 points
  • Low influence choices grant +1 point
  • Using Tao Isonokami for 50 battles grants +1 point towards preservation, upto a maximum of +3
  • Using Yoko Hiromine for 50 battles grants +1 point towards reformation, upto a maximum of +3
  • If the difference between preservation and reformation is 2 or more points, the Nahobino's alignment will be the one with the higher value
  • If the difference is within 1 or less point, the Nahobino will be humanity alignment
  • As this Canon only has two endings for preservation and reformation, there is only one event/choice that comes up if the Nahobino has humanity alignment
  • Regardless of alignment, the Nahobino can face the final boss of True Humanity ending in Creation, the empowered version of Lucifer, in Vengeance by completing Ra, Fionn, and Shiva's sidequests beforehand

Vengeance Choices

Event or Side Quest Choice or Action Points
Clear The Spirit of Love or The Water Nymph Clear The Water Nymph Reformation +1
Clear The Spirit of Love Preservation +1
Event: Chasing Lahmu Help her Preservation +1
Defeat Lahmu Reformation +1
A Wish for a Fish Finish him off and take the fish Reformation +1
Leave him alone Preservation +1
Talk to Principality after accepting Those Seeking Sanctuary Talk about it N/A
Defeat Principality Reformation +1
Clear Those Seeking Sanctuary or Holding the Line Clear Those Seeking Sanctuary Reformation +1
Clear Holding the Line Preservation +1
A Goddess Stolen Eat the apple Reformation +1
Don't eat it Preservation +1
Heart of Garnet Finish her off Preservation +1
Let her go Reformation +1
Event: After fighting Yuzuru I think it's bright Preservation +3
I don't count on it Reformation +3
The Horn of Plenty Sacrifices are necessary Preservation +1
Sacrifices should be avoided Reformation +1
Event: Yuzuru's reflection I think I can believe Preservation +3
I can't really believe Reformation +3
Event: After defeating Mara I understand Preservation +1
I don't understand Reformation +1
Clear Reclaim the Golden Stool or Liberate the Golden Stool Clear Reclaim the Golden Stool Preservation +1
Clear Liberate the Golden Stool Reformation +1
Clear The Hunter in White or The Vampire in Black Clear The Hunter in White Preservation +1
Clear The Vampire in Black Reformation +1
Clear The Raid on Tokyo or In Defense of Tokyo Clear The Raid on Tokyo Reformation +1
Clear In Defense of Tokyo Preservation +1
Goddesses of Fate Something that binds you Reformation +1
Something that guides you Preservation +1
Event: Beelzebub Key Battle I want to re-create the world Preservation +1
I want to stop Tiamat N/A
Event: Odin and Zeus Key Battle Hope for humanity's future Preservation +3
Despair at humanity's past Reformation +3
In the throne room (Only if Nahobino is human alignment) I believed it would come Reformation +3
That can't come to pass Preservation +3

Exclusive Demons

Nahobino's alignment determines the availability of side quests which unlock certain demons for fusion.

In Creation, this is determined by the ending selected.

In Vengeance, this is determined by both the route and the alignment choices made.

Side Quest Fusion Unlock Creation Vengeance
The Seraph's Return Michael Select the Preservation Ending Route Peaceful Route
The Red Dragon's Invitation Belial Select the Reformation Ending Route Apocalypse Route
The Compassionate Queen Maria Select the Preservation Ending Route Preservation
The Wrathful Queen Inanna Select the Reformation Ending Route Reformation
The Noble Queen Danu Select the Humanity or True Humanity Ending Route Humanity

Exclusive Miracles

This article is in need of research.
Reason: Regarding Vengeance: The alignment section of the guide book says that it's 12 points w/a single alignment to unlock Ranking/Succession; 16 points from alignment choices overall to unlock both. However, the Temple of Eternity section says it's complete 6 of 11 side quests and be on a route for Ranking/Succession; complete 10 of 11 side quests for both.

Nahobino's alignment determines the availability of certain Miracles. He gains this at the end of the Temple of Eternity.

In Creation, this is determined by the internal alignment (from choices) and the selected ending matching one another.

In Vengeance, this is determined by the overall number of choices made from the list of quests and events.

Miracle Creation Vengeance
Violation of RankingRemoves the level restriction when fusing demons Preservation alignment and ending Make 12 Preservation aligned selections and be on the Peaceful Route, or make 16+ selections overall and be on either route
Violation of SuccessionDemon's innate skills can be replaced by inherited skills when fusing Reformation alignment and ending Make 12 Reformation aligned selections and be on the Apocalypse Route, or make 16+ selections overall and be on either route

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